It was meant to stress that you are right in that one important point.In which points am I wrong, you write that I am only right on one point.
It was not related to rest of discussion in this thread.
;-)
Most speakers will be localizable because
a) the cabinet resonates,
b) the front is often a large sound-emitting and reflecting surface: phantom sound sources that even the best amplifier cannot block out;-)
I would not choose floorstanding speakers but compact speakers to get better audio results;-)
Also prefers to use stone, concrete and aluminum boxes. Or even tricky dipoles;-)
Most speakers will be localizable because
a) the cabinet resonates,
b) the front is often a large sound-emitting and reflecting surface: phantom sound sources that even the best amplifier cannot block out;-)
I would not choose floorstanding speakers but compact speakers to get better audio results;-)
Also prefers to use stone, concrete and aluminum boxes. Or even tricky dipoles;-)
We can’t consider such transducer to be flawless based on one property (detached soundstage). We can still hear difference to live performance (originating form room acoustics, recording distortion, limited transients … and so on). But that reproduction, where sound virtually emanates from positions on soundstage illusion, which extends far beyond room walls, and loudspeakers are a dead thing is precious and I could not “live without it”.
It doesn't have anything to do with misunderstanding or not being a native English speaker.
It has to do with a couple of things.
1 - The claim is written in such away that it already assumes to be true
2 - The claim is written is a very vague way, assuming that many many things will be solved
3 - The question of the person referring to this claims asks the wrong question because of (1)
So in this case the question is not if somebody could explain why that is the case.
We first have to answer the case to begin with.
I can hereby claim that eating strawberries will improve your ears and listening skills.
So I developed a type of strawberry that makes your hearing so good you don't need measurements anymore.
Can you explain why measurements are needed?
In proper wording this is called a fallacy.
It's in fact a very good textbook example.
So as I already mentioned before, we have to take a step back first and wonder what it means that "your speakers will disappear".
As someone who has professionally been developing electronics, amplifiers (Class-A, Class-D) and mostly loudspeakers myself for the last two decades, I have no clue what that even means.
It would make a lot more sense to claim that it makes the amplifier disappear instead.
But besides that, I would first like to see the objective data plus again proper blind AB and ABX tests.
Claiming things on just subjective and anecdotal ideas, which are even less than a well formed hypothesis, is already a lost case obviously.
Not even worth debating about.
I have one. Its not perfect for driving Sound Lab ESLs, I can tell you that. There were obvious problems to multiple listeners which is not surprising. AHB2 is rated down to 3 ohms load. The Sound Labs dip down to as low as 2 ohms. Specs are out the window then.
Really surprising. So let's clear that.
Term that loudspeakers “disappear” in stereo reproduction is well known. It is a reproduction property where listener has illusion that reproduced sound doesn’t come from loudspeakers at all, but sound sources are perceived as emanating from positions on the virtual soundstage behind loudspeakers.
Before your rant, you could notice that I explained that no amplifier will make every loudspeaker to “disappear” but amplifiers do make difference if loudspeakers are capable of that effect.
With wooden loudspeakers, it may be sufficient to insert contacts, additional plugs: one or two parts of metal, if you like, steel instead of copper or brass. Match the material resonances of wood and metal until the sound is right; the gray and flat wooden box suddenly sounds colorful, full-bodied, alive;-)
If people make very strong blunt claims and statements, the only thing you can expect is reactions.
Which is very interesting, because it started with a VERY strong claim but is already being toned down already.
Mostly very well known as marketing bs often abused than being actually true.
Again, come with objective data and we (as all the people here) have something to talk about.
In the meantime I will leave it at strawberries, because I claim them to be even better than these amplifiers!!
Don't believe me? I have tested them many times!
Show the measurements of your strawberries and some people will accept your claim as fact without thinking about it twice. You can post anything that looks like a nice FFT. Just draw it with a crayon. From then on everyone will be claiming strawberries are objectively best for amplification.
In 20 years you never heard such reproduction.
Oh My God.
Again, you should notice that claim you refer to was formulated by Markw4 and is slightly different from mine in the original thread (nothing wrong with formulation by Markw4, except for those that are just looking for fight).
I’m listening to discussed detached soundstage reproduction this very moment, while typing. It even doesn’t require expensive loudspeakers, just good equipment. I leave you to your strawberries.
Have a nice day.
No because I don't believe in such things for strawberries, therefore it's not needed.
Besides, people don't even know and understand anything about strawberries yet, that's only meant for holy strawberry gurus, so it's totally pointless anyway to do such things.
Believe me I have asked ChatGPT and searched on hobby forums about strawberries.
But it's definitely true that it sounded better with strawberries, so it MUST be true and better!!!
Do you think I should put strawberries in my amplifiers as well?
I mean if eating them makes it all better, this immediately 100% proves that using them must make everything better!
Thanks you too!
Btw, I would suggest reading a couple things again, because that's definitely not what I said.
Another way to make speakers disappear is to cover them with cloth or blankets. All around, except the drivers. This gives you an initial impression of how much cabinets dis-colour the sound. This has little to do with "linearity" - the German hi-fi standards, for example, are pure nonsense;-)
This is also a beginner's experience - not even opening the speakers;-) The point is to gradually get to know, distinguish and categorize the various influences - before venturing into the influence of pure electronic designs: the point is, for example, to get to know the influence of practical layout, materials, components and more;-)
This is also a beginner's experience - not even opening the speakers;-) The point is to gradually get to know, distinguish and categorize the various influences - before venturing into the influence of pure electronic designs: the point is, for example, to get to know the influence of practical layout, materials, components and more;-)
1000 thanks, your contribution speaks from my soul.
I will now leave this thread forever.
Goodbye,
HBt.
Historically there has been evidence to the contrary.
https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article/40/1/95/130748/The-science-of-subjectivity
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/...waves began in,de Vries, working in Amsterdam.
It's the nearly impossible-to-drive speakers that are a problem. You need something that could serve as an arc welder for those.